Pulp and WWW2 in 20 mm? But why not the more popular 28mm scale? What are the reasons?
Pulp i WWW2 w 20 mm? Ale dlaczego nie w popularniejszej skali 28mm?
1. Collection of not-purely-pulpish figures and terrains.
If you already have a lot of figures, vehicles (cars, tanks, trains, ships) and terrains (houses,forests, roads and the like) suitable for colonial/WW1/interwar/WW2 in 20 mm / 1: 72, it is an absurd to start collecting all of those in the completely new scale.
1. Posiadany zasób innych niż wyłącznie pulpowych figurek i terenów w danej skali.
Jeśli masz dużo figurek, pojazdów i terenów do lat 1850-1950 w skali 20 mm/1:72, absurdem będzie rozpoczynanie gromadzenia nowych w nowej skali.
2. Price.
20 mm is cheaper. Figures are cheaper many times. Also terrain is cheaper. For example, trains in 20 mm is several times cheaper and much easier to find than trains in 28 mm. The same with model cars. Non-wargaming models suitable for 28 mm at ebay is very expensive due to more demand. And it is nice to have true horde of opponents against our heroes.
2. Cena.
Są tańsze. Figurki są tańsze wielokrotnie. Tańsza jest też scenografia. Np pociągi w 20 mm są wielokrotnie tańsze i dużo łatwiejsze do znalezienia niż pociągi w 28 mm. Takoż samochody. Nie-wargamingowe modele pasujące do 28 mm na portalach aukcyjnych są znacznie droższe, w związku z droższym popytem. Poza tym miło użyć przeciwko bohaterom istnej hordy tubylców.
3. Volume.
Platoon of 28 mm figures takes so much space as 20 mm company. Especially relevant in the case of terrains. It's easier to keep terrains, because in 20 mm it occupies several times less volume. In the trunk of a car you can carry the entire city.
3. Objętość.
Pluton figurek 28 mm zajmuje tyle miejsca ile kompania w 20 mm. Zwłaszcza w przypadku terenów ma to znaczenie. Łatwiej przechowywać tereny, bo zajmują kilkukrotnie mniejszą objętość. W bagażniku samochodu osobowego można przewieźć całe miasto.
4. Mapping
The table can cover the whole town, not just the intersection. It is easier for a more realistic ranges. Tactical situations can be more interesting. Combat of squads is more realistic than single soldiers. You can put on the table several vehicles, and it does not look like a parade ground. You can deploy the entire railway station and play a scenario of a moving train. One tank wont dominate whole table.
4. Odwzorowanie
Stół może obejmować całe miasteczko, a nie tylko skrzyżowanie. Łatwiej o bardziej realistyczne zasięgi. Sytuacje taktyczne mogą być ciekawsze. Walka drużyn jest bardziej realistyczna niż pojedynczych żołnierzy. Można na stole postawić kilka pojazdów, i nie wygląda to jak plac defiladowy. Można rozstawić całą stację kolejową i rozegrać scenariusz z poruszającym się pociągiem. Jeden czołg nie zdominuje całego stołu.
5. Completeness
Pulp figures at 20 mm are quite rare than in 28 mm, so you can afford to have them all . OCD will not ruin your budget.
5. Kompletność
Figurki pulp w 20 mm są względnie rzadsze nić w 28/15 mm, więc można sobie pozwolić na posiadanie ich wszystkich. OCD nie zrujnuje budżetu.
6. Weight.
28 mm metal figurines are relatively heavy - solid shelves are recommended. 20 mm mostly plastic figures are relatively light, thus it is easier to move and transport the sets. You wont get a hernia carrying whole set.
6. Waga.
Metalowe 28 mm figurki swoje ważą. 20 mm w większości plastiki półek nie zarwą, łatwiej przenieść i przewieźć scenografię. Nie dostaniesz przepukliny niosąc komplet do gry.
7. Experience.
In 20 mm you can rely on washes; masses of opponents You can even dip (with f.ex. Army Painter QuickShade). 28 mm figurines are differently paint, you need to use a lot of highlights (and other advanced painting techniques) to get a good results. If You already know how to paint 20 mm, maybe it is a good idea to keep with it?
7.Doświadczenie
W 20 mm można polegać na washach; masy przeciwników można nawet dipować (np. pokostem Army Painter QuickShade). Figurki 28 mm maluje się inaczej, by uzyskać dobry rezultat należy użyć wielu rozjaśnień i zaawansowanych technik malarskich. Skoro już potrafisz malować 20 mm, to może należy się tego trzymać?
8. Speed of paint
It is arguable, but judging after my experience and results of others, painting one 28 mm figure takes as much as whole squad od 20 mm figures. I admit, it is not so important in pulp skirmish like Pulp Alley. Afterall it is Yours aesthetic decision, whether several 28 mm figures make more visual impact than horde /company of 20 mm.
8.Szybkość malowania
To dyskusyjne, ale sądząc na podstawie mojego doświadczenia oraz rezultatów innych wargamowiczów, pomalowanie jednej 28 mm figurki zajmuje tyle ile pomalowanie całej 20 mm drużyny. Przyznaję, nie ma to aż takiego znaczenia w skirmiszach typu Pulp Alley. Ostatecznie, to Twoja etsetyczny wybór, czy większe wrażenie robi na Tobie kilka 28 mm figrek czy 20 mm horda / kompania.
Producent list (please help me build the list):
Lista producentów (proszę podawać kolejnych):
PLASTIC:
Whole WW2 range
Actually much more periods
Just examples:
Airfix
Set 01733 Tarzan Figures / HaT Set 7018
Esci
Set 237 French Foreign Legion
Ceasar Miniatures
Set H006 WWII Underground Resisters (Partisans)
Set H056 Partisans in Europe
Caesar Set H049 Nubian Warriors (good as cheap natives)
H081 - German WW2 Infantry Marching
Set 103 Undead
Set 107 Lizardmen
Set 108 Ratmen
Set F110 Undead Camp Zombies
Set F004 Modern Zombies
HaT
Set 8153 Australian Light Horse
Set 8180 Gardner Gun
Set 8182 Natal Native Horse
Set 8190 WWI ANZAC Heavy Weapons
Set 8191 Zulus
Set 8192 Natal Native Contingent
Set 8203 Colonial Wars Indian Infantry
Set 8206 Frontier Light Horse
Set 8207 Baggage Camels [Not yet released]
Set 8208 Hadendowah Camelry
Set 8236 WWI Indian Infantry
Set 8256 WWI British Artillery Crew
Set 8268 Askari
Set 8269 Ruga-Ruga
Set 8270 Schutztruppe
Set 8271 Dervish Warriors
Set 8272 WWI British Cavalry
Set 8286 Colonial Ox Wagon [Not yet released]
Set 8287 Colonial General Service Wagon [Not yet released]
Set 8289 Colonial Bengal Lancers
Set 8292 World War I British Expeditionary Force -Infantry (Early)
Set 8293 World War I British Khaki Drill (Tropical)
Dark Dream Studio
Set 72003 Pilots of the First World War
Red Box / Alliance
Set 72028 Civilian Volunteers
Set 72037 Policemen and Citizens
Set 72036 Gangsters
Set 72004 Afghan Warriors
Set 72019 Russian Sailors
Set 72029 Italian Sailors, both as Captain Nemo's crew
Stalkers. Set 1
Stalkers. Set 2
Survivors (antizombies)
Rednecks
Zombies 1
Zombies 2
Dark Alliance
Set 72023 Zombie
Set 72024 Zombie 2
Strelets
Set 056 Boers
Set M044 Red Army in Winter Dress
Set M045 Red Army in Summer Dress
Set M060 German Infantry in Gas Masks
Set M084 Soviet Partisans in Winter Dress
Set M085 Soviet Partisans in Summer Dress
Set M086 Police Battalion
Set M105 WWII Early American Soldiers
Set M103 Union of South Africa
Set M104 Japanese Imperial Airborne Troops - very pulpy
Set M112 WWII US Navy with Anti-Aircraft Machine-Gun
Set M113 Early WWII American Soldiers 2
Set M114 WWII Japanese Troops in Tropical Uniform
Set M120 IJA Paratroopers
Set M122 Turkish Infantry in Tropical Uniform
Set M127 Arab Revolt Foot Rebels
Set 172 Arab Uprising
Set 115 Lawrence of Arabia
Set 164 Red Cavalry in Summer Dress
Set 165 British Camel Corps
Set 166 Australian Camel Corps
Set 167 Turkish Camel Corps
Strelets Set M054 Bashi-Bazouks
Strelets Set 185 Foot Rif Rebels
Strelets Set 186 French Foreign Legion Early XX C.
Strelets Set 187 French Foreign Legion WWII
Strelets Set 190 Mounted Rif Rebels
Strelets Set 191 Rif Rebellion
Strelets Set 192 French Foreign Legion Desert Patrol
Strelets Set M147 French Foreign Legion in Attack
Strelets Set M146 French Foreign Legion in Camp
Strelets Set M148 Arabs in Retreat
Strelets Set M143 Long Range Desert Group at Rest
Strelets Set M145 SAS Desert Ambush
Strelets Set M144 Long Range Desert Group
Strelets Set 291 M1916 37mm Gun with French Foreign Legion Crew
Strelets Set 290 French Foreign Legion Artillery
Orion
Set 72026 Basmachi
Set 72011 Red 1st Cavalry
Waterloo 1815
Set 010 X Mas
Odemars
Set CREA04 Operation Antarctica - Haunebu
Ykreol
Set YK05 Project R.F.Z. (Set 1)
Legion of Nightmare
METAL:
Elhiem Figures
Pulp, Horror & Adventure - the first page you should visit
Civilians
Police
Survivors, gangsters, civilians
Zombie and Zombie Hunters
CP Models
Zombies, vampires, cultists, adventurers, Bad Guys
More cultists
Secret Police
Gangsters & Cops
Nazi Rocketmen and Heer 1946
British Police
Darkest Africa
Lizardmen
Force 20 Miniatures
via Elhiem Figures
or via Tabletopscale.com
DS01 Force 20 Historical - Port of Call (sailors)
DS02 Force 20 Historical -G Men/ Gangsters
DS03 Force 20 Historical Explorers
DS04 Force 20 Long Range Desert Group
DS06 Force 20 OSS Det.101
DS06b Force 20 OSS Det. 101
DS08 Force 20 Smugglers!
DS07 Force 20 Resistance Fighters
DS07b Force 20 Resistance Fighters set 2
Early War Miniatures
A lot of nice figures, suitable also for expanding plastic ranges, amongst others:
Over the Top ranges
Interwar
Minairons Miniatures
Minairons
Racing cars, militias, amongst others fighting women...
http://www.minairons.eu/en/19-1-72-scale-figures-spanish-civil-war?p=2
Stan Johansen Miniatures
road warriors, gangsters, cultists
civilians & Boxer Rebellion
police, despot guards & civilians
bush wars: African & mercenaries
Arab civilians
Hagen Miniatures
Continental-European alliance infantry squad (= Powerarmoured Panzer Grenadiers with Stg 44 & MG42)
picture 1
picture 2
RH Models
http://www.rhmodels.com/7.html
Liberation - 20mm Modern Living Catalogue Living Catalogue
Tin-Soldier / Reviresco
Ford Model T
Rolls-Royce
Trucks
Starguard SF figures: robots, aliens etc
Train & train crew
Khurasan Miniatures
strange slimy black creatures from space
which You can see here at my blog.
Eureka miniatures/GZG
alien hunter
Power Armor Troopers, several types - their unarmored humans IMVHO do not suit 1:72/20 mm
MJ Figures
parasitic aliens from ancient Egypt traveling through astro door
Vampire Lords
Werewolfs and werecreatures
Astro Doors analyst team (operators were discontinued?, but Elhiem wants to create "Astro Door" One team)
Irregular Miniatures
Very British Civil War - VBCW in 20mm; Chinese warlord troops in their WWII/Chinese Civil War range, native Americans, Mexicans, WW1, WW2, SCW...
Wargames Supply Dump
fantasy and sci-fi figures
Lancer Miniatures
WW2 & WW1
Front Line Wargaming
miscellanea from WW1 and WW2
BandB Miniatures
very complete range, including Indy Jones & opponents, but rather 1:76, IMVVHO a little bit too small
Battlefield Miniatures
amongst others WW2 civilians and more and Gestapo
Stone Wall Figures
Many, many 1900-1950 ranges f.ex. civilians or Chinese civil war
Sgt Major Miniatures
some WW2 stuff
civilians, including Cafe Rene, sailors, workers, refugees etc
Abberant Games
climatic post-apo figures and card
K-Kraftminiatures
cool scifi figures
Covert Intervention Games (ex-Force20 Miniatures)
ARC: War in the Shadows
http://www.covertintervention.com/collections/risen-war-in-the-shadows
https://www.covertintervention.com/collections/m-a-d-sciences-organization
Enfilade-figures.com
Good for modern 1950-2050 pulp. Dictator is lovely.
http://www.enfilade-figures.com/
My friend Warchol is also developing non-profit his small range of very nice pulp figures, so I have left here a space for him as an incentive. :) Join me with pressure/support at him. :)
PREPAINTS, BOARDGAMES & TOYS:
Arcane Legions
many, many mythical/fantasy figures, mostly prepainted. Hundreds.
Die Schlacht der Dinosaurien
mounted armoured dinosaurs with riders
Kyosho Diecast
&
Oxford Diecast
vehicles of Bond
20 mm Wild West list
http://occasionalambush.blogspot.com
Please help me build the list!!!
Proszę pomóż stworzyć listę!!!
Google Plus
Google Plus for 1:72/20 mm fantasy
Blogs:
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
http://www.morvalearth.co.uk/Inch_High_Club/Morvalistan%201940/Mvstn40_04/Morvalistan%2040_4.htm
http://172minis.blogspot.com/2009/11/sci-fi-miniatures-and-scale.html
http://www.weirdwwii.com Battleground Weird WWII rules
Discussion at TMP
Discussion at Benno Figures
